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Middleton family

I cannot work out what I have done wrong with ref number 126 which I have just added. please fix. It is a from a journal from which I am citing. I am so sorry Srbernadette (talk) 09:10, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Srbernadette I don't know how to fix it but it looks like you used the wrong citation template; according to the reference you used the Journal template but did not fill in the "journal" parameter. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

I have fixed the error. TSventon (talk) 09:36, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Have you considered working with a specific mentor that might be able to help you detect these errors before you make them? 331dot (talk) 09:19, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Archive disconnected

Suspicious Russia-related deaths since 2022 has several times changed names. I was at the Talk page, looking for older discussions and could only find them by using History. Eventually I found Talk:Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_in_2022–2024/Archive_1 but there is no link to this Archive on Talk:Suspicious Russia-related deaths since 2022. My question is: how to create a link to the archive on the talk page? Lova Falk (talk) 09:48, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Lova Falk I checked Help:Archiving a talk page and added {{Archives}} to the article talk page. Archive 1 was redlinked so I moved Talk:Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_in_2022–2024/Archive_1 to match the current page title. That seems to have solved the problem. TSventon (talk) 10:06, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

TSventon Thank you! Lova Falk (talk) 10:15, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Edit requests

If the talk page for an edit request gets archived, should me mark the edit request as answered? I see many in the pending edit requests lists that have been archived TNM101 (chat) 14:11, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Probably depends on if it's suitable to do the edit request. Archival doesn't mean that the text isn't suitable for inclusion, rather that no one has made an edit to that part of the talk page. I'd recommend evaluating the edit request when it's been seen the same as any other.

If someone has edited it and it went stale, then maybe. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:17, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! TNM101 (chat) 14:21, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

@TNM101 and Lee Vilenski: the information page section Wikipedia:Edit requests#Archived edit requests says If the article talk page has archiving enabled, edit requests may occasionally be archived before being answered. If the request might still be considered, move the edit request back to the Talk page. Otherwise, if you believe the archiving shows there was no consensus, simply close the request by changing the |answered= parameter to "yes". The section was discussed recently at Wikipedia talk:Edit requests/Archive 2#Archived edit requests. TSventon (talk) 14:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

How to reach en-checkusers

Hello. I have tried contacting en-wiki checkusers for over a month now to be given the local ip-block exempt user group. I have tried to get through the offical route (checkuser-en-wp@wikipedia.org) and tried messaging the checkusers directly. No response. I won't be able to tell more about my situation publicly, but without it, I really can't edit in this wiki. I have the global IP exempt group to allow to work in Commons and Wikidata. Are my options to just wait or just message a steward I happen to be in contact with? Thanks. --Osmo Lundell (talk) 14:46, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Osmo Lundell If you are editing this page, you are not affected by a block. We can't force the checkusers to talk to you. 331dot (talk) 14:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your reply, even though it wasn't very useful. Obviously I'm using another, tempotary way to send this message, normally I couldn't do that. Would you happen to know one of your checkusers that has been active recently and ping them here? --Osmo Lundell (talk) 14:59, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

@Osmo Lundell According to the global log here you already have the right since 5 February. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

They have global IP block exempt, which does not help with local blocks. Presumably they are having issues with a local block. ⟲ Three Sixty! (talk, edits) 15:02, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Exactly, I'm asking for the local user group. --Osmo Lundell (talk) 15:04, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

You've made 15 edits in the last two days(and one a few days before); were these all by this "temporary method"? Is it not something that you have access to long term? 331dot (talk) 15:08, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

No, it is not. Is there an active checkuser around? --Osmo Lundell (talk) 15:13, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

@Osmo Lundell apologies, your email was indeed send to the correct place but no one replied. Taking a look now. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:13, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much! --Osmo Lundell (talk) 15:15, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Article Name Change

I was about to make some major edits to a current Wikipedia article. One of the edits I had envisioned was to change the name of the article. The article is currently under the French title of the island, "Île Sainte-Marguerite". However, since this is the English Wikipedia server, I can see no reason why this Wikipedia article cannot be under a commonly used English title for the island, i.e. such as the direct translation "Saint Margaret Island (France)" or at least "Sainte-Marguerite Island". Can someone let me know the procedure or protocol for changing the title of an existing Wikipedia article? SMargan (talk) 08:59, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

SMargan Please see WP:COMMONNAME first; as you seem to suspect, an article title should be that which is most commonly used in English-language reliable sources. If you believe that "Saint Margaret Island" is the most common, you may want to first post on the article talk page to see what other editors think. If you get a consensus agreeing with you, or if no one objects, you can then request a page move at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 09:03, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@331dot (talk) - In particular "Île" ("Island") is not a word used in English at all that I am aware. Based on what you have said, I think that the "Sainte-Marguerite Island" option is probably more appropriate. I have a thread for the talk page already. Therefore, I will make the major changes I have already been working on and then post a discussion on the name change to the talk page, and then I will make that request to Requested Moves as you have suggested. SMargan (talk) 09:27, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

As 331dot says, it's more about what we most commonly call the subject in English language sources. There's nothing wrong with a foreign title, even if there is an English version available if it's the one that is mostly used for the subject. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:43, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

"The topic seems to be likely notable, but poorly sourced"

How do I source it properly? Can someone help me with this, all the information is public on the internet and I have added the links I used under the "reference" section Draft:Rheinmetall Nordic. OleBj (talk) 07:45, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, OleBj. Please read the guideline Notability (organizations and companies). A company is eligible for a Wikipedia article when it is the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable published sources that are entirely independent of the company. Your draft has six references. Five are published by Rheinmetall itself, are not independent, and are therefore of no value in establishing the notability of the company. The remaining reference (#2 currently) is about a predecessor company and is also of no value in establishing the notability of the successor company. We already have an article about the parent company Rheinmetall, so perhaps describing this subsidiary can take place there, unless you can come up with references to multiple sources that actually establish notability. Cullen328 (talk) 08:06, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Also the citation includes Wikipedia itself which seems funny way to use reliable sources. This is the reason the article is failing to be published. I would advice to use sources that are both trusted and outside wikipedia such as journals, other articles or books. Please note that blogs are not reliable sources because wikipedia think them as promotion. Sys64wiki (talk) 12:11, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Policy

Hi, I recall there was a policy or guideline relating to excessive US focus on articles. Does anyone recall what this is? I was not able to google it and find it. Specifically I was referring to this edit I made, in which an editor wants to include US SEC lawsuits in the LEAD of an article largely unrelated to the lawsuit. The policy I recall was about excessive focus on US policy in wikipedia articles, as essentially a weight issue. Maybe someone knows what I am looking for, maybe it was an essay? As I get older I cant remember all this stuff :-) Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 09:43, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

For a start there is an explanatory essay with a section Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ#Anglo-American focus. TSventon (talk) 09:52, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 12:44, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

A "403 Forbidden" domain, down since 2016

There are over 100 references to a website called Relationship Science. When currently trying to reach this domain, my browser tells me it's a dangerous site, and the Wayback Machine (Archive.org) seems to indicate that 2016 was the final year that this domain actually worked. Is the protocol on Wikipedia to find suitable permanent links from Archive.org to enhance each of these references, or would it be more helpful to readers to remove them? Without having done any research, I'm not sure if this Relationship Science platform is (or ever was) a truly reliable source. It seems like it was some kind of "semantic web" network for business people's names, like LinkedIn, but begging for paid usage. - Whole milch (talk) 18:10, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

I believe that making archive links is the standard, assuming that "Relationship Science" is a reliable site. Wayback Machine is what I personally use for archives.

MallardTV ^{Talk to me!} 18:20, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

You could ask whether Relationship Science is reliable at Wikipedia:Reliable Sources Noticeboard and give a couple of archived examples, e.g. Inderpreet Wadhwa and Nikolay Banev. TSventon (talk) 18:39, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Discussion now at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Relationship Science. TSventon (talk) 13:53, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

If your research indicates that prior to 2016 it was a reliable source, you can make a request at Wikipedia:Link rot/URL change requests to have all of the links marked as "usurped", but still use the references in the article with safe archive links. Reconrabbit 13:39, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Suspected sock puppets?

Hi, I have a suspicion of a suspected sock puppet account operating. Can someone please direct me to where I can forward it to someone with Wikipedia:CheckUser permissions to have a look? Many thanks Nayyn (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Nayyn There are several options at Wikipedia:CheckUser#Contacting a checkuser. TSventon (talk) 14:40, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

thank you, I saw this, but was a bit confused as there are a few different methods. Should I reach out to a checkuser individually before proceeding to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations ? Not sure what the right procedure is to do here. Many thanks Nayyn (talk) 14:58, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Nayyn Probably best to go straight to WP:SPI, as there will be several people watching that. Be sure to read the instructions carefully. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:05, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

many thanks @Michael D. Turnbull Nayyn (talk) 15:07, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Nayyn could you check the date of the first edit of the newer account? TSventon (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

hi @User:TSventon I did, the second account was made when the previous account was under an indefinite ban. The ban was later lifted I guess but both accounts are still active. User:Nayyn (talk) 17:46, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Nayyn New account 16 April 2024, ban 19 April 2024 to 22 April 2024, or am I confused? TSventon (talk) 17:53, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Im not sure how long the ban was active, but the user did not use the banned account again until late May 2024 the 2nd account was made in on May 11 2024. It was scary to submit it because it seems like a serious action but I was suspicious so just went ahead. Nayyn (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Nayyn Thinking before a serious action is a good thing. I have commented at the SPI with a diff from 16 April 2024. TSventon (talk) 18:15, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

How do I style my signature?

How to style my signature so that whenever I write something on talk pages or discussions, my account username would be stylish like the other users? For example like I wanna add a green color background to my username signature, how do I customize it? Note that I've already read Wikipedia:Signatures but I'm still failing. I'm a mobile web user btw, hopefully someone can help me a little.  :') Imwin567 (talk) 18:21, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Imwin567 I would recommend proceeding as at the help section WP:Signatures#Customizing how you see your signature. If you do that, you personally see a nice green background but everyone else sees the standard blue, which is much less distracting to others. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:19, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes but that is only for my own point of view. How do I show it for others? Imwin567 (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

By navigating to Special:Preferences and adding the sort of markup suggested on the signatures page you have already found. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:46, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

understood! thank you! Imwin567 (talk) 21:15, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

My edits keeping falsely tagged by the edit filter

It's falsely tagging my edge Gladcape2013 (talk) 02:45, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I mean edits Gladcape2013 (talk) 02:46, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Can you give some examples? The filter has tagged exactly one edit of yours in the last 10 weeks: Special:Diff/1281722239 was tagged "New or unregistered user modifying talk page archives". That seems pretty accurate. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 02:56, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's the report here? It's not a page I'm familiar with but I can't see anything particularly alarming there, just a factual list of things that need a bit of care (eg installing javascript gadgets). Musiconeologist (talk) 15:59, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Companies House

<-- Redacted per WP:BLP I will be reporting the repeated violations of WP:BLP policy here, and suggesting that the contributor responsible be blocked from editing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:11, 22 March 2025 (UTC) -->

Not English

Template {{Not English}} is not allowed to be used in drafts?

1. Why not?
2. The documentation does not provide an alternative, so what should I use instead?

Polygnotus (talk) 08:42, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

There is no point in adding templates, illustrations, categories etc to any draft article as they do not contribute towards notability. Most draft articles never get to be an article. Focus on getting the article to the point where it meets the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:38, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

I didn't start the draft. And it contains text in a language other than English. Which is why I want to tag it so that someone who speaks that language can translate it. Polygnotus (talk) 09:49, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

If they actually submitted a non-English draft, it would get declined as a non-English draft. It's also possible that they have the non-English text there so they can then translate it themselves. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Or that they they accidentally created it on the wrong Wikipedia, for that matter. The other day, I came across some instructions on another language's Wikipedia that directed people to one of our help pages. If that happened when they were trying to find out about creating drafts, they might well create it on the wrong wiki—especially if they're new and think it's just a matter of adding some tag later to specify the language. Not everyone realises the different languages are on different wikis. In which case, they may now be wondering where their draft went, since it doesn't exist on their Wikipedia . . . ! Musiconeologist (talk) 18:13, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

@Polygnotus Which draft is it? Musiconeologist (talk) 18:17, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

User investigation

I need help with a user (BPS CS1804-0888 (talk · contribs)), they have done a few edits that they shouldn't (like this one for an example). I don't know if all the other edits they have done is bad as well, so if anyone can check their history and find that out that would be great! Also, this account matches with other edits done by other users (see this article for an example) so maybe there's a connection? Thanks for the help. // Kakan spelar (talk) 15:46, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

@Kakan spelar: Based on behavioral evidence, they look like a sockpuppet of Affact VA18300P, whose account was recently blocked for similarly unconstructive edits (WP:NOR and WP:CIR issues). ^Complex/_Rational 15:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Kakan spelar, that account has been indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet creating hoax content. Cullen328 (talk) 17:16, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Great! // Kakan spelar (talk) 18:39, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Notability musings

I consider myself a relative old-timer so this question is not about getting the usual links but a general feeling from others.

When I actually added content back in 2006 "notability" wasn't a strict guideline, more of a concept. When I wrote an article, I looked for significant coverage in secondary reliable sources and if there was enough I created the article using the content I found. If no books or journals applied to the subject I used newspaper databases (this was when journalism was somewhat more credible than today in my opinion). That is where I stopped, I didn't then scour the internet for official or industry websites to fill in any gaps.

Move on to today, WP:N exists and in the nutshell says the notability guideline does not determine the content of articles and below links to the usual NPOV, V, NOR for content rules.

This codification change became apparent when I discovered Christopher J. Einolf, a Wikipedia biography with no biographical details from secondary reliable sources. I had an involved discussion on the talk page with the article creator and became of aware of "notability" for academics but I assumed the intent was that since this writer was mentioned in books a lot that biographical details would emerge in the future (or that as notability was established I wasn't looking hard enough). Fine.

Jump to today I found Quintessential (company). Several mentions in newspapers, basically they bought this or that building for $200M. So probably "notable", but the rest of the article is just regurgitating their website or refers to industry websites. The websites are published, the article seems balanced (as yet I haven't been able to dig up any dirt or anything particularly interesting). If I removed everything not from a reliable secondary sources there wouldn't be much left. So is it up to me (a Wikipedia editor) to decide how much content, and from which websites, to include? Commander Keane (talk) 00:26, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

That article has a problematic history. It was declined several times at AfC and then REJECTED by @Robert McClenon on 27 Nov 2024. Then on 12 Dec, the article creator @User:Commercialindustrial made a few changes then moved it to mainspace. On 3 Jan 2025, @लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक moved it back to draft, noting "Not ready for mainspace, incubate in draftspace". Then today, Commercialindustrial made a couple of very minor changes and moved it back to mainspace again. This editor's contributions appear mostly promotional. CodeTalker (talk) 02:41, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree that this article is very promotional. I discovered it while going through articles in Category:Articles with a promotional tone and I don't think it should be published as is. 🄻🄰 19:13, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

As indicated by User:CodeTalker, that page has issues. In this scenario, (at least from the information you've given), I'd recommend putting it up for deletion through WP:AFD mgjertson (talk) (contribs) 17:39, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

User:CodeTalker, User:Commander Keane, लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक - Thank you for letting me know. I will look at the article within 24 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:57, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

I just cleaned up the article, so looking at Quintessential (company) now makes my original post out of date. I was really looking for general thoughts on notability, but I appreciate the interest anyway. Commander Keane (talk) 04:37, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

An IP editor with no other edits has reverted your cleanup. Seems likely to be a WP:LOUTSOCK of the article creator. The article is now at AfD. CodeTalker (talk) 20:33, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Making a Bibliography

I am in a college class and have to make a bibliography as an assignment. After going to the page sent to our class and clicking on edit, the only thing it will allow me to do is add an undocumented parameter. And after doing that I cant find it. MacKJMm13 (talk) 14:20, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

It's very hard for us to help when we don't even know what page you were directed to. Wikipedia has no control over what tasks your teacher assigns. Maproom (talk) 17:24, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

If you've simply been asked to create a bibliography I suggest you do it elsewhere. Edits to Wikipedia are subject to scrutiny and may be deleted or altered at any time. If you have to create it on Wikipedia you should at least familiarize yourself with the policies at WP:BIBLIOGRAPHY. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:34, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

@MacKJMm13 Your assignment is a bibliography about which person or topic ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 13:31, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Conflict of interest?

I have little interest in and avoid when at all possible, issues editor behavior. There is an article David Haward Bain authored by an editor BainDH. That to me, smells a lot like a conflict of interest. Surely there is someone here who is well versed in policies/guidelines related to COI who can do the right thing here with regard to BainDH and the David Haward Bain article. I would much prefer to step away.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:55, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: You can report at WP:COIN, but please read and follow the guidance at the top of that page when doing so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:07, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

scsbot not archiving

Dear page watchers, please can some of you respond to the "archiving woes" section on the talk page. I have copied a suggestion from RD talk there. TSventon (talk) 21:36, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia talk:Help desk § archiving_woes.

Wikipedia app

So I started using Wikipedia's app but I can not where some features are or the apps equivalent. The features are the apps equivalent of the desktop version notifications system. I looked over the bell icon on the app, but it does not capture all the notifications the desktop does. Namely reply's to my comments, from what I am seeing the only way that a reply would show up in the apps is if the other editor mentions me. The other feature I am trying to locate is the equivalent of the desktops preferences, the only thing I can find that is similar on the apps is the settings, but it does not give me near as much options. I am looking forward to your answer. Sheriff U3 14:26, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Sheriff U3. You are correct that the app lacks some of the functionality of the desktop site, especially with regards to collaboration among editors. The good news is that the desktop site works fine on smartphones and mobile devices, although you will need to zoom in and out a bit. I am an adminstrator who has made about 100,000 edits on smartphones using the desktop site with very few problems. Years ago, I wrote an essay about this that you may want to read, User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. Cullen328 (talk) 17:24, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Cullen328 Ok will take a look at your essay. I have been using the browser on my phone for some of features the apps lacked, but was wondering if I just had overlooked something. If you were able to make that many edits with a smartphone, then I can at least try!

I looked through some of your essay and noticed that you have recommendations section, you may want to look into updating it as you say that you are interested in learning how to use the admin toolbar on a mobile phone, you mostly likely have used the admin toolbar on a mobile phone by now though. Also I noticed that the phone you are currently using according to your essay is an Android 5.0, I would be rather surprised if you are still using it now. Though I have to admit that I myself use a old and largely outdated phone (it is an Android 7.0 from 2017). One question I have is how much of difference has there been between 2015 and now with editing on Wikipedia on a smartphone. With the advancement of smartphone technology I expect that there has been some improvement to how Wikipedia works with smartphones, but then again it sounds like it is not very common to edit with a smartphone.

By the way for your information I used a smartphone only on this entire post! Will be trying some of your methods as figure out what works for me best. Sheriff U3 21:44, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Sheriff U3, as I said, I wrote that essay years ago. I have not tried to keep it up to date, because to me, it is a snapshot in time. Other people edit it occasionally. Currently, I an using a Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G. I have now been an administrator for 7-1/2 years and have had no significant problems carrying out administrative actions on my phone. I do not think that there have been major, substantive changes to the software in recent years that affect editing with smartphones. Cullen328 (talk) 21:56, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

@Sheriff U3 Try using the app to visit special:preferences. For me that gives what looks like the actual settings page but in mobile view, as opposed to just the settings built in to the app. Once I've posted this I'll check whether I can get there by tapping the link in this reply.

Edit: I've just tried and I do get the full settings page. Not presented in a very pretty view, but with the usual sections available (eg the huge list of gadgets). Musiconeologist (talk) 21:56, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Musiconeologist Ok thank! I did not think of that. Well I have decided to use a mixture of the apps and broswer using desktop mode as I like receiving notifications through a my phones notification system, but have found the apps not ideal for other usage such as replying to other users. Note I am using the app to reply to you, but I like using a beta feature that appears to only be available on the desktop version. (I don't recall it's name off the top of my head, but know that it has to do with talking pages and replying.) Sheriff U3 22:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

@Sheriff U3Hmm well I'm not sure now whether I've helped. I changed a setting OK but then couldn't find a Save button . . . I typically have the app and a browser both open at once and switch between the two (I'm replying using Convenient Discussions in the browser, since it lets me see the threads properly on this page.) Musiconeologist (talk) 22:24, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

@Musiconeologist Interested, I was able to find the Save button by pressing the X button at the top. The only issue that I had was it took me to my browser to save the changes. That is the same beta feature I use! Thanks for your reply. Sheriff U3 22:45, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

@Sheriff U3 Sorted now. The app thought I was logged out—once I entered my login details I was able to save the setting I'd changed. Musiconeologist (talk) 23:02, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Collapse lists in template

Hello, can someone please make the lists in this template be collapsed by default (closed). Now the lists are open by default which makes it too long. -Artanisen (talk) 21:47, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

@Artanisen:  Done. All it took was changing | expanded = all to | expanded = none. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 22:09, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Nice, thanks Alpha Beta Delta Lambda. Artanisen (talk) 23:21, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

If WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONSIST contradict what do we follow?

So I started a conversation on WT:MILHIST (feel free to discuss there instead) on the names of two defunct agencies/units of the People's Armed Police. I would suggest you check out the discussion for more context and to see if there are other factors that play into the naming(e.g. the nature of the two units, the command structure etc).

So currently the situation is there is three ways the problem can be solved:

1. People's Armed Police Border Defense Corps + People's Armed Police Guard Corps(PAP ___ corps is much more common for the border defense, however not for the guard corps. Consistent at least, and personnel of both agencies are PAP personnel. These are also the official names. Also, since we currently use PAP border defense corps more on EN wikipedia, saves me from having to change everything)
2. Ministry of Public Security Border Defense Corps + Ministry of Public Security Guard Corps(MPS ___ corps is much more common for the Guard corps but not for the border defense. These are the official unofficial name(yes, that exists) and is more accurate on command structure(both are commanded by the MPS, however their personnel are PAP personnel.).)
3. People's Armed Police Border Defense corps + Ministry of Public Security Guard Corps(Allows for use of their common names)

Thehistorianisaac (talk) 13:52, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

@Thehistorianisaac: the process for discussing and agreeing changes to article names is Wikipedia:Requested moves. It can be helpful to have an informal discussion first as you have at WP:MH. TSventon (talk) 20:16, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

@TSventon They aren't yet their own articles, the Border Defense Corps does have it's own section in the People's Armed Police article.

However I am trying to get some consensus first before they get their own articles(and the guard corps gets it's own section), and from what it seems it comes down to whether we prioritize WP:CONSISTENT or WP:COMMONNAME(and, if we are to prioritize consistency, whether we choose to name it after the border defense corps or the guard corps.) Thehistorianisaac (talk) 23:40, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

@Thehistorianisaac: Wikipedia:Article titles says Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources. When this offers multiple possibilities, editors choose among them by considering several principles: the ideal article title precisely identifies the subject; it is short, natural, distinguishable and recognizable; and resembles titles for similar articles., so editors have to make a decision where principles conflict. You could publish the articles with what you think is the most suitable name based on suggestions at WP:MH and then move them to a better name later. TSventon (talk) 11:38, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok thanks.

The articles I plan to make them sections first(border defense already has it's own section, and both articles exsist on chinese wikipedia already) so the publishing can wait, but so far I am going with PAP border defense corps for the article name. I'm also gonna ask the wikiproject coordinators for their own opinions Thehistorianisaac (talk) 11:41, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Talk page Archives

Hello everyone out there, I'm starting to feel like my talk page is starting to get full. How can I archive? Gnu779 ( talk) 14:46, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gnu779: Help:Archiving a talk page has some options. I am using cut and paste. TSventon (talk) 14:52, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

How can I tell bots to do it for me? Gnu779 ( talk) 14:53, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gnu779 Help:Archiving (plain and simple) usually works well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There's a few ways. You can manually move the items to User talk:Gnu779/archive1, or use a bot, instructions are at WP:AUTOARCHIVE, although it can be a bit complicated. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:53, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Gnu779 Please see User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo which includes quick instruction and more detailed explanations. Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 14:54, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Thx Gnu779 ( talk) 15:35, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gnu779: like this. I've reverted, but you can reinstate the edit if you wish. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:14, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Wow, you gave me nice help. Thanks. Gnu779 ( talk) 12:19, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Buttocks

Doesn't appear to be archiving, gets enough traffic that ideally it should, and archive 1 is 75 sections long, which seems not ideal either. I wasn't sure whether I could just replace the current bot with a different one and set the counter on the new bot to 2? Valereee (talk) 12:08, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@Valereee: The archiving instructions hidden at the top of the page say minthreadsleft = 10, so the bot has been told to leave at least 10 threads on the talk page no matter how old they are. Reduce that figure if you wish. It also says maxarchivesize = 100K, so the bot will move on to archive 2 fairly soon. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Valereee (talk) 13:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

How to close a requested move discussion?

Second Trump tariffs has had a discussion going for nearly two weeks. Everyone agrees with a name change but but consensus is a little unclear, partly because new alts were offered throughout the discussion.

How do we decide when to end it? Also, WP:RMCI says we need an uninvolved editor to close it but not where to ask for one. Where do I find one? satkara❈talk 23:54, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done. For reference, the most common venue is WP:ANRFC, but anywhere is fine. Though, since all requested moves are listed at Wikipedia:Requested moves § Current discussions there is probably someone that would come around and do it eventually without needing to look for one. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:10, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

AI stuff

Hello satkara, good to see you here! To close a Requested Move (RM) discussion, follow these steps: 1. Is It Ready to Close? RM discussions usually last seven days, but can go longer if needed. If most people agree on a name, it’s ready to close. If there’s no clear agreement, more discussion may help. 2. Who Can Close It? You can’t close it yourself if you're involved in the discussion. You need an uninvolved editor to close it. 3. Where to Find Someone to Close It? Ask for a closer at: Wikipedia talk:Requested moves – The best place to request help. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard – If the move is controversial. WikiProject talk pages – If the topic has a related WikiProject. WP:ANRFC (Requests for Closure) – If the discussion has gone on too long and needs a decision. 4. What Happens Next? If the move is approved, the page will be renamed. If it’s unclear, the closer will explain why and may suggest further discussion. If you think i failed somewhere feel encouraged to ask question i would be happy to answer. Sys64wiki (talk) 06:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC) Actually I looked out at the same discussion page and found out that the actual consensus about the article have not taken place since alts are still being discussed. I advise you to wait a little and perform the closure of discussion page when majority reaches consensus? Sys64wiki (talk) 12:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Creating a Sandbox page was recently backlisted for me? Why?

Hello I recently created 4 sandbox pages in order to split up a now archived Wikipedia page as agreed upon by several wiki editors on an original article. The process was easy and we finished the article splitting in a very short amount of time. But now I am trying to create a new sandbox for myself to create a new article and it says that the title is blacklisted. Namely Historyguy1138//sandbox8.

I did some experiments to see if other users could create sandboxs with this method and they can.

How can we fix this?

Did some bot or perhaps a (shall we say obtuse) admin assumed I was spamming after I used the sandbox to create 4 approved articles?

Thanks for your help. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:13, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

There are no blocks on your account directly, at least. What is the message that you see when you attempt to create a sandbox? 331dot (talk) 15:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Among other thing it says:

Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.

Please

search for Historyguy1138//sandbox8 in Wikipedia

to check for alternative titles or spellings.

• This page is on the title blacklist, so only administrators, template editors, and page movers can create it.

Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:19, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Is there any reason for the double slash // in the name? Musiconeologist (talk) 15:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

No that was a typo that I just put recently I was trying to create an article with only / slash. Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:25, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Historyguy1138/sandbox8 just recently fixed the problem for me. Thank you. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Probably you attempted to create the sandbox in mainspace - I blacklisted mainspace sandboxes a while ago. User:Historyguy1138//sandbox8 is correct and should be creatable; Historyguy1138//sandbox8 isn't and shouldn't be. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:20, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Ah I see my mistake. Thank you. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Automatic reverting

I am teaching a course where one of the students got her edits reverted. The revision history claims that she did it herself, but she says that was not the case, it happened automatically. This is the user contribution page User contributions for Daliepremidze - Wikipedia. Now it seems to be working though. Was something wrong? Olle Terenius (UU) (talk) 09:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Olle Terenius (UU): It is easy to click the wrong button, particularly when new. Nearly everyone here has reverted themselves or someone else accidentally. It is extremely unlikely that anything went wrong other than that Daliepremidze accidentally clicked something. There is no automatic reverting. Johnuniq (talk) 09:22, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Olle Terenius (UU) and Daliepremidze: It looks like she misunderstood something in the interface. Maybe she looked at a diff like [1] and clicked edit on the left side instead of the right side. If you click on the left side then you start a new edit with the content of the former revision. If you save without changing anything (except the edit summary) then it becomes a revert to that revision. If she wants to change the new revision when looking at a diff then she has to click edit on the right side or click the edit tab at top of the page. It's not possible to change an old edit summary if that's what she was trying. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:55, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

where to launch policy discussion?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I would like to inaugurate a discussion challenging certain parameters of current template practices regarding restricting Wikipedia articles, including in some instances even their TALK pages, to a small group of editors who qualify as E-C. Where would be the best place to initiate this discussion? Kenfree (talk) 05:36, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Kenfree. Perhaps Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). I would recommend including links like "protection policy" and disclosing any other recent discussions you have had on this issue. It also wasn't clear if by "template practices" you were referring to templates. Commander Keane (talk) 06:57, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Either that or Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab). Read he instructions and see which fits you best. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:05, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you both for these useful recommendations. 👏 Kenfree (talk) 09:17, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/File:JFK limousine.png

I created this a little while ago, and I can't find it transcluded among FPC, and it's gotten no replies. Did I screw up its creation somehow? JayCubby 19:01, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm not super familiar with FP, but in other Featured procedures, you are supposed to transclude it on the page when you make the page. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:07, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@JayCubby, you missed step 3 at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Nomination procedure.

Also, your nomination page has some broken syntax and the closing date is now too close. Definitely ask at Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates and I think someone there will help you fix it. Commander Keane (talk) 07:24, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Alright, thanks a bunch. Asking now. JayCubby 16:19, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Mysterious interlanguage link

Context: I was reading the article “Interpellation (philosophy)”. Its topic is due to French philosopher Louis Althusser, and the topic’s name is (or anyway its English-language name comes from) the French noun interpellation. Wishing to learn more about these roots, I went to the interlanguage links and selected Français, which led me to the article Contrôle_d'identité_en_France. That inappropriate linkage reflects another separate sense of French interpellation, one that’s related to the political sense of English interpellation, rather than the philosophical sense. So I figured it was time to edit the wikidata.

But when I tried to do so, I was amazed that in that wikidata I find no mention of “Contrôle d’identité en France” and no occurrence of the language code “fr.” By what seeming magic has that particular article been proffered (incorrectly, as it turns out) as “the French-language counterpart” of the philosophy article from which I started out?

I can see nothing inappropriate in the wikidata that one could edit or delete. And sadly, my rummaging around on French Wikipedia has failed to turn up any article there that I could affirmatively add to the wikidata’s list of wikipedia entries. So how can I at least prevent the inappropriate behavior if not replace it with a more appropriate one?

PaulTanenbaum (talk) 14:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@PaulTanenbaum: The last wikitext in Interpellation (philosophy) says:

[[fr:Contrôle d'identité en France]]
[[fr:Droit d'interpellation]]

This adds an interlanguage links regardless what Wikidata says (before Wikidata it was the only way to make interlanguage links). Only the first value is used. There is not supposed to be two. I don't know whether fr:Droit d'interpellation is better than fr:Contrôle d'identité en France. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:45, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Why so it does! D'oh, I should have looked within the page itself. Thanks, I'll now figure out the best edit to make and then proceed to make it. PaulTanenbaum (talk) 15:18, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @PaulTanenbaum: I don't think either fr:Contrôle d'identité en France or fr:Droit d'interpellation is relevant to interpellation as a philosophical idea, so I have removed them. They may have been added because they are both listed at fr:interpellation, which is a disambiguation page. TSventon (talk) 15:24, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

You are right, @TSventon, that neither was relevant; that was my whole point. So I have added an appropriate one (after first having edited French Wikipedia to create a good place for my appropriate one to point to. PaulTanenbaum (talk) 16:51, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@PaulTanenbaum: I have created a new redirect in fr Wikipedia at fr:Interpellation (philosophie) which is linked to Interpellation (philosophy) via Wikidata and listed at fr:interpellation. I think that is more visible and less confusing than a manual interlanguage link. Please improve my French if necessary. TSventon (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Volunteering

Hello. I came to see about WP:Reliable Sources Noticeboard. What should I do to become a volunteer in that community? Shall I wait for a period of time to be eligible for that? Ramencolls (talk) 09:20, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Ramencolls: This page is more for "how do I do [some technical thing]" questions. You might consider posting a more generic question where you are essentially asking for opinions at WP:Teahouse. At any rate, noticeboards like the one you mention usually need a fair bit of experience to master. However, by all means start giving your view and see how it goes. If people start contradicting you, it might be best to not reply much and try to understand what they are saying. This is the internet, so people commenting might be totally wrong, but it's best to ask questions and not offer opinions too forcefully until more experienced. For the RS noticeboard, a question should be of the form "is [this source] reliable for [this claim] at [link to article]". Johnuniq (talk) 09:29, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Got it. I think I am not fit to volunteer the Noticeboards right now. I should learn more about Wikipedia. Thanks Ramencolls (talk) 09:33, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Ramencolls If you haven't seen it, WP:TASKS may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:44, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång it helps. Thanks. JunkBorax (talk) 17:14, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Is there a way of getting overall page views per day of every article a user has contributed to?

Hi all

I've seen the pageview counter on the new HomePage feature but this only seems to be showing statistics for the past 60 days. Is there a way of seeing pageviews of all articles a user has contributed to since their account was created?

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 12:08, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@John Cummings Not that I know of. Fwiw, you can put up to 10 pages in this tool:[2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:45, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång thanks very much, this wouldn't work for people like me who have been round a while. I'm wondering if maybe I can make a pagepile or something? I have no idea about queries so this might not work. John Cummings (talk) 17:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

WP:TECHPUMP? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:15, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Fair use? Screenshot of a foreign leader's video?

For historical purposes, a screenshot of this video[3] posted by El Salvador's President would really help give appropriate context to the March 2025 Venezuelan deportations article.

Can anyone confirm if this seems like fair use? And if so, can you help with the appropriate labelling of the image when I upload it? Thanks! Bob drobbs (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't know anything of the topic, so it's hard for me to say. However, you could add it as an External link and see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:43, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

The external link has already happened.

Also... as an alternative, AP has photos at this link[4] which they say are from the EL Salvador Presidential Press Office.

Are photos released by governmental press offices considered free use? Bob drobbs (talk) 21:10, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Commons:Copyright rules by territory/El Salvador says nothing about it, and it probably would. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:21, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Why aren't watchlist and recent changes grouped by default?

Example of the group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist preference setting.

Hi there,

I was wondering if there is a policy why edits to the same article that occur in short time span are not grouped together by default? I know I can turn on grouping by toggling it on in the Preferences/Recent changes menu, but I'm not clear why it's not like this by default...perhaps there are disadvantages I had not considered? - Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 14:31, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I remember being intimidated by it when I turned on that setting for the first time. While it's the most efficient setting, it might not be the simplest starting point for new editors. Perception312 (talk) 23:31, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Can't get template data editor to appear on userspace /doc page

I've been experimenting with adding TemplateData to several userspace templates such as this minimal one, hoping initially to use the TemplateData editor for this rather than do it the error-prone way, and I'm coming up against the same issue each time:

1. The template has a /doc page, on which I place a templatedata block.
2. I open the template page for editing: an Edit TemplateData button appears, as it should, together with a warning that the TemplateData already exists and is on the /doc page.
3. I open the /doc page for editing, where the TemplateData actually is, and no such button appears.

This happens regardless of whether there's also a {{TemplateData header}} on the page.
Has anyone any idea what might be causing this? Musiconeologist (talk) 01:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@Musiconeologist, I just created Template:User:Musiconeologist/tdata/doc with exact contents of your userpage example. Does it behave correctly when try to edit? If so there must be a namespace restriction that I couldn't find documented anywhere. Commander Keane (talk) 11:43, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

The editor comes up straight away for that one when I open it. I wonder if calling mine something like User:Musiconeologist/Template:whatever/doc might work, so the path ends like a template space one? I suppose the workaround is to create the template data in the template itself then copy it over, but it's a bit of a messy one.
Edit: I've just tried, by clicking the link. Same behaviour: for User:Musiconeologist/Template:whatever, the editor appears for the template page but not for the /doc page. Musiconeologist (talk) 14:29, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@Musiconeologist I don't think mediawiki page titles are particularly magical like that. You say the editor appears for the template page... but are you saying a link appears? Maybe {{Documentation}} is just adding a link, but nothing more substantial. This is getting beyond my skills set. I think we established some sort of namespace issue. If, like me, you can't find any documentation about it you could ask on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) for an explanation. You may be able to test in the real Template namespace, but even the one I created above has been accidentally deleted once. Speaking of that template, I will delete it in a couple of days unless you advise me otherwise. Commander Keane (talk) 15:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm happy for it to be deleted—we've established the behaviour, I think.

What happens with the userspace one is: on the template page, there's an Edit template data button together with a warning something like "Warning: there is already a TemplateData block on the documentation page"—but I can still open the editor. On the documentation page, the button never appears, but, and I only realised this after posting before, the page title greys out for about half a second, shortly after opening the page for viewing, in exactly the way it does on other pages with TemplateData just before the edit button appears. So I think maybe it's recognising the section but some bug is aborting the loading process.

Anyway thanks for taking the trouble to create and defend the template. I do at least now know that it would work properly in template space. Musiconeologist (talk) 01:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

photos

How to add photos with a mobile phone? Arbabi second (talk) 08:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

اربابی دوم, do you mean (A) how to add photos that are already at Wikimedia Commons to articles, or (B) how to add photos you've taken to Wikimedia Commons, or (C) something else? -- Hoary (talk) 08:53, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary Sorry for the vagueness of my question. I mean uploading photos using my mobile phone. Arbabi second (talk) 09:00, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@اربابی دوم, perhaps Commons:Upload_tools#Smartphone_apps has something you can use. Commons:Help desk might be a good place to ask about this. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you.😊 Arbabi second (talk) 09:48, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Problem solved. Thank you very much. Arbabi second (talk) 10:19, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@اربابی دوم the regular Upload Wizard works fine on a phone: just visit c:Main page and click the blue "Upload" button. Then you can select photos from your phone's gallery. The android app is an alternative. Commander Keane (talk) 10:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Commander Keane Problem solved. Thank you very much.😊 Arbabi second (talk) 10:21, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Brumby

I was reading an article about the history of brumbies. My husband's surname is Brumby and my married name we have done a lot of research on the name. He is descended from Danish Vikings named Brunebi, who migrated to UK and worked at Scunthorpe in Lincolnshire - the name became Anglicised to Brumby. The town became known as OLD BRUMBY TOWN. We have been there and so many places in the town are named after him - Brumby School of Arts, Brumby Boulevard etc. A relative - Captain James Brumby migrated to NSW and joined the NSW Corps. He had horses on his property and when he decided he had enough of Australia tried to sell all his livestock but there were a few left which he let run free when he returned to UK. When people saw the horses they would say "oh there's one of Brumby's", "or there's a Brumby" and wild horses gradually became "Brumbies". 60.226.154.120 (talk) 05:57, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello 60.226, and welcome to Wikipedia. It's not quite clear what you want, but I'll take a guess. Wikipedia has, for example, an article called Brumby (surname). Perhaps you think that article should be a little more like Smith (surname). If so, you can start editing, be WP:BOLD as we say around here, but Wikipedia has some rules etc and you should try to get the gist of them before starting. WP:TUTORIAL is a good place to start. Consider also WP:REGISTER. Brumby (disambiguation) might have something that interests you. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:23, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I believe the second half of 60.226's post is referring to option #1 found towards the end of the Brumby#Origin_of_the_term section. They can find reliable sources and expand it, WP:TUTORIAL will have some guidance as already suggested. Alternatively they can make suggestions on the talk page of the article. Commander Keane (talk) 10:24, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Benicio del Toro

Three months ago I asked a question regarding Benicio del Toro's birthplace at Talk:Benicio del Toro#Birthplace, but I haven't received a reply. Can someone help me on this? Thanks in advance. 137.204.150.21 (talk) 10:07, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

You say you have six sources for the different birthplace. I haven't investigated any of your sources, but recognize a couple of the domain names as those of reliable websites. The article currently cites a single source for the birthplace. This source is "FamilySearch", which has been judged generally unreliable. Wait no longer: correct the birthplace. (Don't supply six references; instead, supply references to the three sources that seem the most authoritative.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:19, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Reference error (SS Dixie Arrow)

Hey all,
On the page for SS Dixie Arrow, I keep running into a citation error. It says, "Cite error: The named reference ":22" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page)." The help page it links me to is technical and beyond my understanding of how Wikipedia works. What I think is happening is that it thinks that I've used the same link for multiple sources (pages from Lloyd's of London's register), but I haven't. Is there any chance I could get some help with resolving this issue?
Thanks! –PhoenixCaelestis • Talk • Contributions 11:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@PhoenixCaelestis: I don't know how named references work in VisualEditor but the source editor (see Help:VisualEditor#Opening VisualEditor for how to switch) shows two <ref name=":22">...</ref> with different content. You have to change one of them. If they are supposed to be different references then rename one of them from :22 to a unique name. You can also just remove name=":22" if the reference is only used once. If they are supposed to be the same reference then change the wrong definition to only say <ref name=":22" /> without ...</ref>. This will reuse the definition from the other place. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:01, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Removing the other instances of the reference seemed to work. Thanks for your help! –PhoenixCaelestis • Talk • Contributions 12:14, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

NPOV in category title for Airstrikes by perpetrator

I recently visited Category:Airstrikes by perpetrator, and it appears to me that the title of the category is not neutral. The term "perpetrator" is inherently a value-laden word; there are no neutral connotations associated with the word.

Airstrikes don't always target civilians. Often, airstrikes are military operations with military targets justified under international law. Thus, it seems unnecessarily biased to refer to the executors of all airstrikes as "perpetrators."

Sorry about the lack of Wikipedia acronyms and shorthand, by the way. I joined fairly recently and I'm still learning the terminology.

Althistwikibox (talk) 12:52, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Althistwikibox: you could go to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion and suggest an alternative. One possibility is Category:Airstrikes by attacker, based on Category:Invasions by invading country, but not "by country" as NATO is not a country. TSventon (talk) 13:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Harriet Martineau

Oversight- in the "Help Box" on this page please place in the "relations" section Harriet's brother James Martineau. I cannot do this. Thanks 49.185.202.240 (talk) 06:49, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Click here. You'll see "Relatives", which now includes one close relative, one in-law, and one risibly distant descendant. I suggest replacing the third with her brother. Or simply add him, if you insist that a great great (etc) relative is significant. If there's a difficulty, please describe the difficulty. -- Hoary (talk) 08:13, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I've added her brother. (I didn't delete the current Princess of Wales, as doing so could require a talk-page discussion.) Deor (talk) 15:40, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Use X english applies to which name for template?

I noticed on Melsonby Hoard that it has a Use British English template, which makes sense. I also noticed that it used template:Infobox Artefact which is redirect to template:Infobox Artifact. Given that Artefact is the British spelling, would it be required to use that spelling for the Infobox based on the Use British English for the article? Naraht (talk) 17:54, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

It probably doesn't matter much as the name of the template isn't visible. Hinton St Mary Mosaic has " "infobox artifact". TSventon (talk) 18:16, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

New editor-help making a first page

I'd like to try to make a draft of a page for a relatively low-stakes thing just to get some practice in. It's the steamer the Northern Wave from the 1800's. I'm unsure on the notability but honestly I'd rather treat it as practice and be pleasantly surprised if it is notable so that it's less stressful. Is there a guide or something about writing a page from scratch? Sock-the-guy (talk) 17:41, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Help:Your first article is a good place to start. I like your view on this, create the page in Draft and with the pleasant surprise if it is notable. My other suggestion is if there is a page for a similar steamer, feel free to copy into your draft and change. Using other wikipedia articles as a place to start can take care of many issues.Naraht (talk) 18:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Sock-the-guy (talk) 18:44, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Interlanguage link

Hi, I have an issue with an interlanguage link. I originally made it because the subject didn't have an article in English, and now there is an article with that name for a different person. How do I separate them again? What alternatives are there?

Billy Joyce Spagooder (talk) 19:33, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Spagooder, I checked {{interlanguage link}} and you could replace {{Interlanguage link|Billy Joyce|ja|ビリー・ジョイス}} with {{Interlanguage link|Billy Joyce (wrestler)|lt=Billy Joyce|ja|ビリー・ジョイス}}. TSventon (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks. Spagooder (talk) 20:03, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Advice For A Novice Editor

What might be a good place for someone to begin with edits if they are a fairly slow learner and also limited to a mobile device? Thanks. 2020View (talk) 14:15, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@2020View You can try WP:TASK. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:05, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@2020View: I was going to suggest you fix the typo for math based games. However ,due to poor comma typo on Graphing calculator in the Games and utilities section but I see that you have mastered typo correction. You can do almost everything on a phone, I do. You may have to click the "Desktop" button on the bottom of a page to get a different view of it. Like on the WP:TASK that will give you are a better overview and different interface. The typo still needs to be fixed by the way ;-). Commander Keane (talk) 00:25, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Date template

Hi, On another wiki I need to build a template that returns the current date in DMY format. I looked at the templates here and they are quite complicated, and just copypasting them into the other wiki does not work - I think I would need to probably create some other templates as well that carry out the various functions involved. Would anyone be willing to help explain to me what the easiest way to build such a template from scratch would be? ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 22:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

If all that you need is the current date in DMY format, perhaps all you need is the #time parser function:

{{#time:j F Y}} → 7 April 2025

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok, 'I put that into the template [[Template:Current date]], but when I call that template in another page it just produces {{#time:j F Y}}. I am doing something wrong clearly. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 23:58, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Ah, your link led me to the magic words, and that fixed it. Thanks!·maunus · snunɐɯ· 00:09, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Maunus: If code doesn't work then always link it when you ask for help so we can see what is wrong. I didn't find attempted code in your recent edits anywhere. Is it not a Wikimedia wiki? We need to know that. It may run another MediaWiki version and have other extensions and configuration settings and so on. In particular, it may not have installed mw:Extension:ParserFunctions which adds #time. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

No, it is not a wikimedia wiki, and I figured it might be something about the different versions or extensions not matching, but I found the magic words {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}, which worked like a charm.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 02:05, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Articles tagged as having non-free content

Some articles are tagged as having non-free content with no indication given of what content is being challenged or where it originates. We're supposed to assume good intent, but who would toss up such a claim without offering proof? Unverified claims could just be an attempt to get a page deleted. What are we supposed to do with these? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Oona Wikiwalker: ask the editors who added the tags. According to {{Non-free}}, the specific criteria of concern have to be stated in the edit summary when using the template, so

• pinging @Cordless Larry: diff 1
• pinging @Kj cheetham: diff 2, diff 3

TSventon (talk) 03:04, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

They applied the tag five years ago. What if they don't respond? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 03:33, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Correction: four and a half years ago. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 03:35, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

They have both edited this week, so hopefully they will respond.

I notice that all the edits used Wikipedia:Twinkle so twinkle probably does not prompt editors to add any further details when tagging for non-free content. The template doesn't have a talk page, so it might be worth raising the problem at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content. TSventon (talk) 03:43, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

This seems to be one one those templates where the |reason= param doesn't work/show even if you're willing to use it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:38, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: the template {{Non-free}} refers to a set of criteria that apply to media not text, but it was edited in 2019 to mention content, not media. Perhaps it should be reworded again for use with non-free media rather than text. TSventon (talk) 12:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

From the template code, it looks as though all it does is fill in some fixed parameter values in {{Ambox}}, meaning the reason parameter just sits around unused. I see it's not a protected template though, so someone familiar with {{ambox}} should be able to amend it
Edit: not quite right—it accepts four parameters (passed to Ambox as |small, |sect, |talk and |date) but doesn't mention any of them in the documentation. Musiconeologist (talk) 18:15, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't use Twinkle at all, but I noticed that other editors who applied the non-free tag included their source in their edit summary or on the article's talk page. Maybe suggestions to do that should be placed somewhere where even the clumsiest of us trips over them. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 23:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

The revision of the article that I added the template to is here, and the copyvio report for that revision can be viewed here. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:37, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: thank you for answering. Presumably the template could be removed now as the copied content has been reworded. Do you agree that the template is confusing? TSventon (talk) 11:50, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, although it likely also requires revision deletion. I think when using this template nowadays, I try to indicate the copied-from URL in the reason field, although I see that Gråbergs Gråa Sång suggests that's not working. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:45, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry afaict, you can put text in it, but it won't show in the article like at Gata (food). It becomes more like an invisible note. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Cordless Larry "Non-free" seems to be designed for non-free media, while {{Copypaste}} seems to be designed for copied text and has a url parameter. Is "Copypaste" is available through twinkle? TSventon (talk) 18:01, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Ah yes, now that you mention it, I think that's the template I now use in these situations. There's a "Source URL" field in Twinkle when that template is selected. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:06, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

How can I make a Wikipedia page?

How can I make a Wikipedia page on Wikipedia Country100% (talk) 09:22, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Please see Help:Your first article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:29, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Country100% hello! Making an acceptable WP-article without knowing how to edit WP is hard. A common advice is to "just" edit for a while first, to try to get a hang of this place.

That said, your first hurdle is "Can a WP-article about your chosen subject be written at all?" Start with reading WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If your choice of topic fails WP:N, the article will not be accepted. If you decide to go ahead, you need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. This is crucial, and I can't stress that enough. Really. If you intend to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. If you intend to write about yourself (WP:COI), the short advice is "don't."

Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:19, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

User:Country100%25, a comment prompted by your creations User:Country100%/sandbox and User:Owen.Wall600/sandbox: Wikipedia is not interested in its editors' fantasies. -- Hoary (talk) 11:48, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

THE KINGS BODYGUARD OF THE YEOMAN OF THE GUARD

The hat worn by the Bodyguard has three ribbons, RED, WHITE & BLUE, what do the colours mean or represent Upton PC (talk) 12:20, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

This page is for editors to request help editing Wikipedia articles and pages. You may want to ask this question at the reference desk, where volunteers can help you find information in Wikipedia. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:24, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Upton PC You might find some clues at Union Jack and Yeomen Warders]. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Request for Template Removal – Wikipedia Page of Erickavu N. Sunil

 Courtesy link: Erickavu N. Sunil

Dear Wikipedia Admins,

I hope you are doing well.

I had created the Wikipedia page for my teacher long ago, ensuring that multiple credible references were cited. However, upon reviewing the page recently, I noticed the following template added at the top:

"A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (November 2022)"

I would like to clarify that Erickavu N. Sunil is a highly respected and accomplished Mridangam artist, author, and educator of international repute. There are numerous verifiable references available online that substantiate his contributions and credentials.

I kindly request you to review the page and verify the citations. If the content aligns with Wikipedia's neutrality and verifiability guidelines, I would appreciate the removal of the above template. Please let me know if any specific improvements are required to ensure compliance.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Best regards,

S. B. Nair Sbnair2003 (talk) 12:38, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Just noting that any editor may help with this, not just admins. Please don't use an AI to write(100% certain according to zeroGPT). 331dot (talk) 12:45, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Please disclose your COI on your user page, I've provided you with instructions on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 12:47, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

331dot - I got your point.

Request you to validate the below links and take a decision of your own on the said template needs to be removed or not.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/kochi/2022/Apr/26/kerala-authors-efforts-to-popularisemridangam-among-global-audience-2446423.html

https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/music/a-new-book-on-the-anatomy-of-a-drum/article34659455.ece

https://gcwtvm.ac.in/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/REPORT-NATIONAL-SEMINAR-2023-2024.pdf

https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/art/indeevaram-is-a-performance-space-for-artistes/article28173140.ece

https://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/musicians-and-dancers-in-technopark-who-turn-teachers/article29584271.ece

https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/music/kerala-based-techsariga-club-lets-you-watch-the-music-clubs-concerts-through-its-web-app/article30575830.ece

Thank you. Sbnair2003 (talk) 12:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what this has to do with conflict of interest. It's not the notability that's being questioned. 331dot (talk) 13:00, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Sbnair2003 Conflict of interest isn't about who he is or why he's notable—it's a situation where the contributor has some connection with the person written about. I had created the Wikipedia page for my teacher suggests Erickavu N. Sunil was your teacher, and my experience of music tells me that instrumental teaching needs a lot of one-to-one interaction between the teacher and pupil. The teacher has to give the pupil feedback about what they're doing, and demonstrate things to them. So at first sight, that is a close enough connection to affect how easy it is to write impartially about the teacher.

Please do read the information that @331dot linked to on your talk page. Musiconeologist (talk) 16:21, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I have removed the {{CoI}} template, because there is nothing on the article's talk page about what in the article is supposed to be non-neutral. Note though that anyone may reinstate the template if they create such a discussion (with the emphasis being on the alleged non-neutrality, not there mere suggestion of a CoI). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Page

How do you create a page for an author, who was also a successful racecar driver? VanNewman (talk) 03:26, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, VanNewman, the page Help:Your first article tells you everything you need to know. But as this was your very first edit you are not eligible to create the article directly. If you tell me the name of the person, I will create an empty Draft for you, and then you can work on it there. Mathglot (talk) 03:33, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Country100% (talk) 09:23, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Helloo, @VanNewman. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Random error message

For the past 12 hours or so I've been getting the error message "Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBUnexpectedError"", on about half the Wikipedia pages I try to open. Reloading does not fix it but if I close the tab and attempt to access the same page again it works. Does anyone know what's causing this? Electricmemory (talk) 04:03, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@Electricmemory, there is ongoing discussion about it at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Error_message and phab:T389734. May be related to history and contribs pages. Commander Keane (talk) 10:33, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

While the Administrators are the people with the bigger mops, I think of those who watch WP:VPT as the ones with the screwdrivers and toolbelts.(and yes, I'm sure there is overlap. :) )Naraht (talk) 13:04, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Love the analogy! DMacks (talk) 13:10, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Electricmemory (talk) 23:13, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Help

References are not being shown inside the infobox of 2024 Bangladesh anti-Hindu violence. https://w.wiki/DbsK Can anyone help me?

SMYTI (tk|CNTBTN)

00:07, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Somajyoti: If casulties2 is set then several more specific parameters are ignored. You can move the references to casualties2 or not set it. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:26, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Church of Our Lady of Lourdes Klang

Please add the word convent in the category section of the bottom of this page. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 03:45, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

As a reader, it's unclear to me what "SK Convent 1/2 Klang and SMK Convent Klang" is supposed to mean. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:11, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Probably SMK stands for: sekolah menengah kebangsaan, national secondary school. Lectonar (talk) 12:51, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Political campaign poster

2025 presidential election poster

Would it be appropriate to place an electoral poster of a candidate in the ongoing presidential election in his article page as an ilustration? (The poster was released under CC0 1.0 Universal free license.) Antoni12345 (talk) 21:42, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Electoral posters are not neutral by nature, please use normal picture of the candidate instead. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:10, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I think it can fit the Electoral history section. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Not yet. It may be of historical interest in the future, but to keep Wikipedia neutral it is not currently appropriate. I imagine voters may read the article and influencing elections doesn't sound good. By all means make a note on the talk page about the poster's existence and it can be revisited after the election. Commander Keane (talk) 14:43, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough. Not completely unheard of, though:[5] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:10, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Well OK. What about the campaign logos in the 2025 Polish presidential election article then, as they are alo campaign material used to advertise for candidates? Antoni12345 (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Antoni12345: you can discuss it on the election article's talk page. To me it is less of a problem because all candidate's logos can be displayed. Although some aren't. Is that because their supporters don't edit English Wikipedia, they weren't smart enough to create a free-licence logo or they can't afford to make a logo? I don't think being poor makes you a bad president. This is bias and it should be avoided. Similarly it might be fine to add the poster to Zandberg's article if you find every other candidate's poster and add it to their respective articles. The candidate in Gråbergs Gråa Sång's example won that election ;-). All of this should apply to text also, but a picture is worth a thousand words. Commander Keane (talk) 12:21, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, non of these logos are actually free licensed to be precise and each one is an extracted and adapted image from the campaign materials or other visuals used by the candidate, which is another problem as they could not in 100% correspond to the actual visuals used by the candidates (the only candidate which actually acknowledges using a campaign logo is Trzaskowski, making it a separate file for downloading). Non of the candidates also (except for Zandberg) release their campaign materials under a free license nor specify copyrights regarding their downloading as many of them actually have campaign posters avalible at their respective campaign websites.

And to be clear I do understand the ambiguity of NPOV regarding the inclusion of this poster as an ilustration, that's why I've decided to share my doubts, possibly to anticipate another editor wanting to include it.

Thanks for all of the remarks, I will discuss it with others at the relevant article discussions. Antoni12345 (talk) 14:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

How long should a discussion sit on a requested page move?

There has been a tag for a requested move page that has been open for one month. The article received some good feedback. The original requestor backed down and blanked their talk page on the matter about it after making some personal unsubstantiated attacks. Nothing has happened with the discussion lately. How long is long enough for the discussion to be closed? many thanksNayyn (talk) 23:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Nayyn: which article? Wikipedia:Requested moves might have some ideas on timing, but generally consensus just needs to be established for closure. Maybe it has been forgotten? Commander Keane (talk) 12:28, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Commander Keane I assume it's Nia (charity), which came up at the Help Desk recently. (I don't think I should comment on closure, since I contributed to the discussion as a result of seeing the Help Desk thread.) The last activity there was nine days ago, I think. Musiconeologist (talk) 15:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Infobox clan on the Clan Logan page

Hello, The pictures on this page Clan Logan - Wikipedia are out of date. I see that they are in the Infobox and I would like to change both of them. However, I have been struggling with the instructions on how to do so. Thanks! Sean Logan Logan9839 (talk) 18:24, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Which part(s) of which instruction(s) seem(s) to induce a struggle, Logan9839? -- Hoary (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thanks, specifically how do I add a new picture to it. I am guessing I need to get it into the database and then reference that, but I can't figure out how to add the new picture. Logan9839 (talk) 22:26, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

If the new picture is unrestricted by copyright, you should start by uploading it to Wikimedia Commons, which has an Upload Wizard.   Maproom (talk) 08:32, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, that worked! Logan9839 (talk) 17:04, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Archive on Talk:March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip

I would like to know if I did this correctly. I've heard of WP:CUTPASTE moves. The reason I moved some things back over to Talk:March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip from Talk:March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip/Archive 1 is because these edit requests have not been answered. In the page history, when users attempted to answer these edit requests, @Ivebeenhacked reverted these kinds of edits.

Diffs:

• Special:Diff/1282486341 - me removing the messages (undoing bot edit)
• Special:Diff/1282486401 - me putting back the messsages (undoing bot edit)

Justjourney (talk) 18:36, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I found this guideline: Wikipedia:Edit_requests#Archived_edit_requests. Still want a response here though. Justjourney (talk) 19:53, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

In this case I would suggest leaving archives alone, except for marking any open edit requests as answered.

This is a contentious editing area. The guideline you pointed to does mention consensus and on a high traffic talk page consensus not to do something can be indicated by no response.

If anyone feels passionately about an archived edit request, they can reformulate it as an improved version in their own words and post a new edit request linking to the archive. That's my view, anyway. Commander Keane (talk) 00:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I forgot to ping @Justjourney and add that a recent RfC agrees that substantial changes (eg answering edit requests) to archives should be reverted. Commander Keane (talk) 00:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Commander Keane So is what I was doing wrong, and should I stop doing it? Justjourney (talk) 01:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Justjourney: Yes you can stop. I wouldn't say "wrong" generally, it was well intentioned in a tricky talk page situation. You can see the listing at Category:Wikipedia extended-confirmed-protected edit requests which I presume is well patrolled so these edit requests are probably not forgotten or lost. Oh, and for your info WP:CUTPASTE is about making sure all the editors of a page get credit for their work in the history section, so it didn't apply in this case. Commander Keane (talk) 10:00, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree with your specific guidance on leaving WP:PIA related archives alone, however I don't read the RFC as saying that discussion topics should not be moved out of archive for further discussion, what do you think about that? TSventon (talk) 17:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

African American or African-American?

While the article is African American, there are a number of articles like List of African-American fraternities and sororities that use the hyphen and even the African American article has a considerable number of usages of African-American, though fewer than African American. I can't find any guidance, suggestions? Naraht (talk) 23:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Naraht I believe that Wikipedia hyphenates African-American as an adjective, but not African American as a noun, see multiple requested moves at Talk:African-American culture. I notice that is not consistently applied in African Americans. TSventon (talk) 23:54, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Ah. In African-American Fraternity, "African-American" is single Adjective, and thus hyphenated, but in the phrase African American, it serves as a noun (with African perhaps viewed as an adjective to it. And I see *lots* of attempts to standardize to a broad no-hyphen standard. I think I'll go with that, even though it can lead to some oddities, when talking about the emphasis for a college social fraternity, [[List of African-American fraternities and sororities|African American]] would be the way to go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs) 00:08, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

File:Liverpool FC.svg

Hi ,why this user publicated this logo (File:Liverpool FC.svg) for 2 articles, regarding the Wikipedia:Non-free content ,for logos used for 1 article but why the user publicated this logo for 2 articles?? (Google translator) AbchyZa22 (talk) 08:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@AbchyZa22 Because that logo is the logo for both teams, and whoever uploaded it did the whole process both times Ultraodan (talk) 08:41, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

How do I address vandalism by users that blank their own talk pages?

I have a fairly complicated question that I could use help working through.

I patrol recent changes fairly actively, particularly monitoring for vandalism, but also keeping an eye out for promising new users to welcome.

I've realized that I don't know how to proceed when a user (or IP user) blanks their own talk page, removing the multi-level warnings that have been given to them. In general, the convenient thing about these multi-level warnings is that it allows other patrols to monitor what "level" a potentially problematic user has reached. But when that user blanks their talk page, that visibility disappears.

It is possible, in these cases, for me to just make a mental note of that user and remember to check their talk page history to see what level they have reached, but at that point, it becomes much harder to decentralize the effort. It's harder for me to step away from my "shift" without worrying that other patrols will be "duped" by that user.

Does anyone have any tips on how to handle these situations? I can explain more if needed.

BTW, while I am currently dealing with a situation similar to this, I don't mean to imply that the user I'm currently dealing with is actually doing anything that wrong. This just made me realize that I don't know how to handle a "worst case scenario" version of the situation I'm in. — Gmarmstrong (talk) 22:12, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

If someone removes a warning, it doesn't make that warning not be in place. I might need to double check, but I think Twinkle is smart enough to know when previous warnings have happened.

I think most problematic users expose themselves, and removing the templates is an act of acknowledgement of it's existance. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Lee's advice is correct. The details are given at WP:BLANKING, which says that there are some items that should not be removed but that doesn't include the standard warning templates. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:20, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Speaking from an admin point of view, I think there's two relevant factors that admins usually check, and recent changes patrollers should learn to check. The first is that this removal will almost always be obvious in the user's contributions. In fact any response on their own talk page is going to be interesting. The second is to check the timing of warnings using the talk page's history (you'd be surprised how many people combine a string of warnings and AIV reports long after any editing). After time one learns that histories and contributions are more important than things visible on a page. 'Levels' are not really important here. I would just say, although BLANKING is there as a policy/guideline, a quick cheeky revert to restore the warnings (maybe just once) doesn't hurt. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Most admins will take the removal of a warning from an editor's talk page to mean that the editor has read and understood the warning. Further violations will be dealt with on that basis. Mjroots (talk) 13:32, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Citation inside or outside closing round bracket?

Should it be (statement to be verified)^[1] or (statement to be verified^[1]) ? Thanks. Masato.harada (talk) 13:45, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

outside. – robertsky (talk) 13:54, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Masato.harada: Guidance is provided at WP:REFPUNCT: If the reference is specifically for content enclosed in parentheses, it should also stay within them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:31, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Church of Our Lady of Lourdes Klang 2

Please add the word convent in the category strip at the bottom of the page. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 08:01, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

You have already been told not to create multiple threads asking the exact same question at the Wikipedia Help Desk. [6] Please stop. AndyTheGrump (talk) 08:11, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Added Category:Convents of the Catholic Church in Asia, "best" I could find. Here's how:[7] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

How you found the category in the first place might be useful information too, I think. Especially if it was something simple like typing [[Category:convents in and looking at the popup list or putting category:convents into the search box. Musiconeologist (talk) 16:04, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

I started at Category:Convents and "dug" from there. I was aiming for "Convents in Malaysia" but it doesn't exist. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:26, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

I tried via a search for "category:convents in", didn't get quite as far as you before realising I was in danger of staying online instead of sleeping, then noticed that you'd already added the category. :-) Musiconeologist • talk • contribs 17:30, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Srbernadette Are you familiar with the Preview button? I think previewing your edits before you click Publish would help you immensely. 331dot (talk) 09:03, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: Kindly acquaint yourself with how to add categories. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:37, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

La República (Costa Rica)

I just had to create a redirect from La Republica (Costa Rica), which surprised me. I thought our search function captured things like that? Valereee (talk) 15:41, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Just had to do it again, creating a redirect from Magon Prize to Magón Prize. Valereee (talk) 16:41, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Valereee, my hunch is that this is probably due to diacritics. The geniuses who hang out at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) can probably give you a more definitive answer. Cullen328 (talk) 19:24, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, Cullen, I'll go there! Valereee (talk) 19:39, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Can anyone revert content?

I thought only registered users could revert content.

What is the purpose of registration, if unregistered users can revert long-time users on a whim?

Why is registration so strongly encouraged, if it ultimately makes no difference?

Honest questions. Thank you. PB57 (talk) 23:04, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @PumpkinButter. You should read WP:ACCOUNT. IP users can't edit most protected pages and have a much harder time being recognized by other editors, since the IP is just a jumble of letters and numbers. Plus, your IP address is now completely public to everyone everywhere. It can be pretty uncomfortable. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 00:04, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Lee Grant PB57 (talk) 23:04, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@PumpkinButter: Everybody can revert unless the page is protected and they cannot edit at all. See Wikipedia:Why create an account? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:03, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Is it possible to change Wikipedia Time to 12 hour clock and the date format to month day year?

Does anyone know if its possible to change the Wikipedia time to 12 hours clock and date format to month day year? Isla🏳️‍⚧ 10:45, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@Isla You can manipulate how you personally see the times / dates in threads like this at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. Articles can have their default set as dmy or mdy by using the templates {{Use dmy dates}} or {{Use mdy dates}}, which is often done to correspond to the version of English being used (see WP:ENGVAR). Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:02, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Really complex merge situation

So, I have marked type 051B destroyer and Chinese destroyer Shenzhen for merging. Now, what make this complicated is that Chinese destroyer Shenzhen is to be merged into the type 051B article(because the type 051B is a one ship class), and then the type 051B article gets moved to Chinese Destroyer Shenzhen. this is because doing this would simply the wikidata link process and because the type 051B article has more info(even though the Chinese destroyer shenzhen article has better and more photos). How do I approach this merge, as it is the first time i need to merge an article, and may I ask if there are any tools for merging? Even better if someone could do the merge for me pls Thehistorianisaac (talk) 15:26, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Thehistorianisaac:, are you asking what a merged article about type 051B destroyer and Chinese destroyer Shenzhen should look like? If so, you could ask at WP:WPMH talk and/or look for articles on other one ship classes. You could use your sandbox if you want to experiment. The merged article does not have to be perfect as it can always be improved later. type 051B destroyer is older so it makes sense to merge the other article into it.

If you want to know what to do after updating, look at Wikipedia:Merging#How to merge. To move the "type 051B article" to "Chinese Destroyer Shenzhen" use Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests as you need a Wikipedia:Round-robin move. TSventon (talk) 09:57, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks.

Also are there any tools to do a merge? Additionally how do I close the discussion and stuff? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 11:59, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Merging explains how to close the discussion (and stuff) and says that you can do it as an involved editor. It doesn't mention a tool, so I don't believe there is one. Which text, if any, to merge is an editorial decision, so I don't see how it could be automated. TSventon (talk) 12:37, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Can't log-in via Foxfire, but can log-in via Safari

I've been on Wikipedia for over 20 years, and been posting & editing for over 15 years. I've had Foxfire as my default web browser for more than a decade I'm sure, so most of my entries on Wikipedia have been done while using Foxfire as my browser. About four days ago I found myself unable to log on, as my name & customary password weren't accepted in the log-in fields. Even after I'd cleared my cache & cookies.

I've had no idea why this happened.

Just yesterday using Safari I was able to use a "special procedure" to log-in, which accepted my name and my customary Wikipedia password. So I'm able to look at my Watchlist and my most recently developed articles, and I'm able to submit this request for help.

But what do I need to do to utilize Foxfire again as my browser of choice. Thanks.Joel Russ (talk) 21:16, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Foxfire, or Firefox? Maproom (talk) 21:28, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Joel Russ: I am guessing it could be due to Wikimedia login changes from about 2 weeks ago. This comment says if "you use cookie / ad blockers, you might have to allowlist the domain auth.wikimedia.org now". Commander Keane (talk) 23:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. (Sorry about misspelling Firefox.) But does this mean I must permanently disable my ad blocker and cookie limiter? If so, won't this allow all sorts of cookies and ads in the future?Joel Russ (talk) 23:54, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

no, your blocker should have a way to whitelist (allow) a certain URL mgjertson (talk) (contribs) 19:44, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

I suddenly got "There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form. You may receive this message if you are blocking cookies." but I was able to log-in fine about 10 hours ago from the same PC and browser. I was locked out for about half an hour. Restarting the browser, and bypassing cookie/cache by using private mode didn't resolve it either, but half an hour later, I am back in like usual. Graywalls (talk) 03:42, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@Graywalls: That was a Wikimedia-wide problem, it appears to be sorted now, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Various_ongoing_errors_with_my_account. DuncanHill (talk) 03:48, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

I just had that happen to me, Firefox as well. Found that I had to click the shield in the address bar, turn off "Enhanced Tracking Protection" (toggle switch), and then log in. It then gave a second, different, error message on the login page saying something like "your session has likely expired, please log in again", but then it had a different button "Log in via central". I clicked that and here I am. Not sure how long I was "signed out", but between finding the "You've been signed out due to an anomaly" message and logging back in, it was about 45 minutes. And so far, going and turning "Enhanced Tracking Protection" back on after sign-in has not caused any issues of being logged back out or anything. Zinnober9 (talk) 04:03, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

https://downdetector.com/status/wikipedia/ Looks like it flared up for a bit and came down. Graywalls (talk) 04:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Issue with Creating a Stub for "Andrew Koenig (programmer)" on Persian Wikipedia

Hello,

I translated the introductory section of the English Wikipedia article "Andrew Koenig (programmer)" into Persian to create a stub article on Persian Wikipedia. My main motivation was that the Persian Wikipedia article "ضدالگو" (translated from the English Wikipedia article Anti-pattern) references Andrew Koenig, and I believe he is an important figure in this context.

However, when I attempted to publish the stub, an automatic filter on Persian Wikipedia blocked the submission, displaying the warning: "(Adding a link to a weblog or forum)". After asking for help on the Persian Wikipedia Help Desk, I was informed that this might be due to a URL containing "wordpress" in the references, specifically this source: 🔗 https://lbsitbytes2010.wordpress.com/2013/04/07/andrew-r-koenig/

Additionally, I was advised that this source might not be reliable and that I should consider requesting the deletion of the English article due to possible notability concerns. However, I find this suggestion questionable because:

The English article has been translated into five other languages.

Other Wikipedia articles link to it.

The notability of Andrew Koenig in the field of software development, particularly regarding C++ idioms and anti-patterns, seems well-established.

My primary goal is to publish a stub article on Persian Wikipedia, not to delete the English article. I suspect the automatic filter may have mistakenly blocked the article due to an overgeneralized rule.

Could you please advise on the best approach to address this issue? Is there a way to demonstrate the notability of the English article more effectively, or should I seek an exemption for the automatic filter in Persian Wikipedia?

Thank you for your help.

Best regards, Arbabi second (talk) 12:51, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

We cannot help you with issues on the Persian Wikipedia; each version of Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. They likely have a Help Desk of their own where you can ask this question. 331dot (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@331dot

Thank you for your response. I understand that each Wikipedia operates independently, and I originally asked for help on Persian Wikipedia. However, the editors there specifically suggested that I bring this issue to English Wikipedia and even consider nominating "Andrew Koenig (programmer)" for deletion due to possible notability concerns.

I am simply following their recommendation and seeking clarification on whether the article meets English Wikipedia’s notability standards. If it does, I would like to reference it properly in Persian Wikipedia without issues.

I appreciate any guidance on how to proceed. Arbabi second (talk) 13:20, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

I can't tell you what you should do on the Persian Wikipedia, but it seems like he's notable as far as we are concerned(I glanced at the article, but didn't examine it in depth). It is entirely possible that he is notable here but not on the Persian Wikipedia, due to differences in notability guidelines. 331dot (talk) 13:27, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@اربابی دوم: I'm not autoconfirmed at the Persian Wikipedia so I cannot see their filter logs but maybe you can see something at [8]. It's hard to help without knowing the language or seeing the log or filter. Maybe you just have to avoid wordpress.com. I could save the url in my Persian sandbox but the filter might be namespace-dependent and there may be no way to make an exemption without editing the filter code itself in a way you will probably not get approved. The spam blacklist has a page with exceptions but filters work differently. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:44, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@اربابی دوم According to WP:RSPWORDPRESS, Wordpress should never be used to back up claims about living people on en:Wikipedia but we don't have a filter to actually prevent its use, as it is allowed in some circumstances (see link). I suggest you remove that citation in the Persian article and try to find a better source for the statement here on the English article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:03, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you for your guidance, but the Persian version of the article is only a stub intended to introduce this person, who is mentioned in a relatively important article. In this regard, this source actually plays a central role, because other sources deal with details such as the names of books that have not been translated into Persian at all. Arbabi second (talk) 14:17, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thank you for your guidance. I also didn't have any problems on the Persian Wikipedia sandbox. I am currently thinking about this issue and welcome your guidance. Arbabi second (talk) 14:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @اربابی دوم.

The article Andrew Koenig (programmer) appears to be woefully badly supported by citations. An obituary of his father which doesn't even mention him is a completely irrelevant waste of time. The Wordpress article is almost certainly not reliable. There is no value in copying that source (or most of the others) over to an article in a different language.

I'm not sure whether I have the time (or the interest) to clean up that article, but I will certainly tag it for its inadequate sourcing. ColinFine (talk) 14:51, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thank you for taking the time to review the article and for your input on its sourcing issues. I understand your concerns and appreciate your effort in tagging the article for improvement.

Given your assessment, I will withdraw my attempt to publish a translated stub of Andrew Koenig (programmer) on Persian Wikipedia for now. My intention was never to spread unreliable sources, but rather to ensure that relevant topics, like anti-patterns, are well-represented across different language versions of Wikipedia.

That being said, I can’t help but notice an anti-pattern-like situation here—where issues are identified and tagged, but the actual improvement remains uncertain. Hopefully, this is just a temporary stage, and the article will eventually receive the necessary attention and reliable sources it deserves.

I appreciate your insights and will keep an eye on the article’s development.

Best regards, Arbabi second (talk) 20:32, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

اربابی دوم, Wikipedia editors generally write and improve articles that they are interested in, so if an article is tagged and no one is interested in approving it it will stay tagged. You are obviously interested in the subject, so you would be a good person to try to improve it. Helpdesk helpers see problems every day and can't solve all of them. TSventon (talk) 20:39, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@TSventon Thank you for your response. I understand that article improvement depends on contributors' interests. However, English is not my native language, and my experience with Wikipedia—especially the English version—is quite limited.

That said, I will try to help improve the article where I can, though with caution. I appreciate the guidance.

Best regards, Arbabi second (talk) 21:27, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@اربابی دوم Don't forget you can comment on the talk page if need be—even if the page is rarely visited and nobody responds, the material is there for reference when you come back later with more experience and feel able to make the decision yourself. Musiconeologist • talk • contribs 23:16, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Redundant articles: "Tomb of the Gwanggaeto" and "Tomb of the General"

There are two articles that point to the same topic, Tomb of the Gwanggaeto and Tomb of the General which seems to be the official name. Even though the translations of the names are different, the only source in Tomb of the Gwanggaeto calls the structure Tomb of the General. Wondering if Tomb of the Gwanggaeto should be merged/redirected or just nominated for deletion. Titan1655 (talk) 02:35, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

The former article has a single source to a single page for a single short paragraph of prose that's repeated on the latter article. I'd suggest you be bold and just redirect the former. Departure– (talk) 02:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

WP:OVERLINK

I am not sure if linking the countries in popcorn chicken was overlinking. According to the Manual of style guideline, "major" countries should not be linked. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 02:17, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

For most of those, the fact they're linked makes me think I'll be taken to an article about that country's food or about the role of popcorn chicken there, but it just goes to an article about the country that has nothing to do with the subject. I click the link and then feel I was tricked. "Major" really refers to familiarity. It's overlinking if it doesn't help readers to understand the article. Taiwan seems relevant as the background culture for the food. For the others it's a matter of how likely readers are to be unfamiliar with them—I'd say they mostly are overlinking, but someone from another part of the world might feel differently. Ultimately the question is "does this link help readers?" and the Manual of Style aims to help in answering that. Musiconeologist • talk • contribs 08:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

False and misleading image in Erbauliche Monaths-Unterredungen

I've removed the image File:Erbauliche Monaths-Unterredungen Front Page.png from Erbauliche Monaths-Unterredungen (thought to be the first magazine in history). The description and translation at Commons is just wrong, to the point where I wonder if it's just incompetence (at reading blackletter and German) or even deliberately deceptive: The image linked there isn't from the magazine, but from a collection of songs to be sung in church. I'm not sure how to go about correcting the page at Commons, though. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

The error could have been copied from https://alts.co/vintage-magazines/, without noticing that the text in the image contradicts the page title. It looks like a version of the title page (image 9) from Commons:File:Erbauliche Lieder-Sammlung zum Gottesdienstlichen Gebrauch in den Vereinigten Evangelisch-Lutherischen Gemeinen in Pennsylvanien und den benachbarten Staaten (IA erbaulichelieder00evang).pdf and could be renamed via Commons:Commons:File renaming. TSventon (talk) 18:57, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@Florian Blaschke: I have explained the error to Gameking69 and asked where they got the image from. Unfortunately they haven't edited since early March, but hopefully they will be back in due course. TSventon (talk) 15:41, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Earth Day

At least 5 paragraphs of Earth Day is copied from https://www.earthday.org/history/. Copyvios report shows "Violation suspected - 82.4%". The URL is - https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Earth+Day&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.earthday.org%2Fhistory%2F. How can I tag that page? Somajyoti ✉ 14:10, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

@Somajyoti Full instructions are given on this page. It is possible that the target URL copied from Wikipedia but that's unlikely in this case. The terms of use of that website doesn't allow direct copying. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:54, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Template rendering issue

I removed the birds-eye view image from the infobox on Townleyhall passage grave and put it into the gallery instead. However, the infobox is now showing the "side view" image no matter what I do, including a purge. I tried C&Ping the full code of the article into my sandbox, and there it renders in preview without any image at the top of the infobox, just the map as expected. Presumably I'm doing something abominably stupid, but can't work out what. Could someone please point me in the right direction? -- Avocado (talk) 16:47, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Might the infobox be importing it from this Wikidata item for the article? Musiconeologist • talk • contribs 16:58, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh! Quite possibly. I assume it's not showing in my sandbox because my sandbox isn't linked to that wikidata item?

• How would I be able to tell if that's the problem?
• Is there a way to suppress that?

-- Avocado (talk) 17:03, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Adding fetchwikidata = no does the trick. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:04, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Yup, that did it. Brilliant -- thank you! -- Avocado (talk) 17:09, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Talk:History of antisemitism

This page has a contentious topics banner related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which makes perfect sense. But it also says the article is extended confirmed, which is not, and which looks very much like a mistake—although I'm not sure in what direction.

Even when I am not logged in and go to edit, I am not warned of any special restrictions on the article. Is there something wrong here, or am I just confused?

Cheers, Patrick (talk) 17:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

The extended-confirmed notice is not a notice of page protection, but a notice that non-EC users shouldn't be making non-edit request edits to the page. Pages are only protected when necessary, even in contentious topic areas. We hope that people respect the restrictions on their own first. 331dot (talk) 17:42, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Great not to protect any more than necessary, but shouldn't there also be a note when you go to edit the article, as I've seen elsewhere, that says You are subject to additional rules when you edit this article. If you do not follow these rules, you may be blocked from editing:....? Only a minority of editors, I suspect, go the the talk page at all, much less read all the material posted to the top. Is that something I could add myself? Patrick (talk) 18:09, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

This one: {{Contentious topics/page restriction editnotice|topic=a-i}}?

Addition: or this one {{Contentious topics/editnotice|topic=a-i}} per Template:Contentious topics/editnotice (even though they display identical text)? Patrick (talk) 18:21, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

I think I figured it out!: Template talk:Editnotices/Page/History of antisemitism Patrick (talk) 19:21, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Watchlist question - read articles disappearing until next edit

Often when I'm checking my watchlist, I will go to ANI, and then back to the watchlist, only to find that I can't see ANI until the next time it's edited. I looked at the Watchlist preferences, but couldn't figure out how to tell it to continue to show me pages even if they haven't changed. Or am I really confused, which is always an option. Thanks! SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

It sounds like you have the "Unseen changes" filter active. Does removing/unchecking it solve your issue? Perception312 (talk) 19:22, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

It was off, but I turned it on and off again. Maybe that will help. Thanks! SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:00, 2 April 2025 (UTC)